Second Harvest Interview
So what is this damn book about.
It's a noetic novel, probably the first one of the 21st century.
What do you mean by noetic?
Noetic means " Mind " or " intuition " in
Greek. This is a newly coined term for the explosion in consciousness
research since the 1960's. You know everything from parapsychology
to extra-terrestrial life. It's the mind over matter thing awakening
in an age that has been hung up on matter for quite some time.
Can you explain this further?
Yeah, it's the dawn of the modern re-discovery that there is
sentiency in everything. In matter that is near, in matter that
is far away. Just dial the knob on the psychic radio. Tune into
plant vibrations, e-m vibrations, frequencis from outer-space,
and from your grand-mother on the other side of the planet.
The West is finally waking up to facts that any decent shaman
worth his salt has known for quite sometime.
This is interesting.
It's more than interesting. It's a Copernican revolution of
the highest magnitude and it's been obscured by a lot of New
How did we get to this point?
Western civilization started disintegrating during the First
World War. Quantum physics, electronic media, and the avante
garde all started reflecting a reality that was far more complex
than the mechanistic and reductionist universe most scientists
were touting at the time. Reality began to be more uncertain
and mind oriented. The idea of progress in a straight arrow
was discredited. Slowly things began to be seen as more fragile
than originally believed. Life had subtle interconnections which
could easily be disrupted and the atomic world which was the
foundation of all matter began to be seen then as a psychic
process. This really blew alot of scientific minds. Einstein
refused to accept this new reality. It was that shocking.
What about later on in the century?
It was just more an acceleration of all this new stuff. The
noetic revolution broke out in the 60's and it wasn't just Beats
and Hippies exploring drugs and meditation. No. The U.S. space
program also began stretching our ecological awareness with
the powerful icon of Earth now seen from outer-space. Like an
alien seeing our planet before landing on it. This was a radical
new symbol with all kinds of religious implications.
What about now?
The noetic revolution went mainstream in the 80's and 90's with
the Yuppies and New Age crowd. There was alot of self-serving
philosophical crap being thrown around. But people were being
forced to see things from a more holistic point of view. CNN
and the internet only confirmed this trend of a shrinking planet
with ecological limits and a world population psychically being
slowly and traumatically wired together by force. It was the
beginning of the birth of a global mind. Maybe just it's uncovering.
It was probably always there.
This gives me goose-bumps.What do you see coming now?
The noetic revolution is going global. The Yopis or Yuppie-yogis
are the stars of my book. They are exploring meditation in a
serious way and they are leading the new social wave in the
West. To the Yopis sentiency in all matter is a given. But NASA
is also pushing ahead with the international space-station and
now the digital world is going wireless. It's a game now of
multiple frequencies and simply tuning into them without drowning
in the noise. Frequencies which are also psychic despite what
the hardcore materialists would want you to believe.
How does all this tie into your book?
Harvest is a dream novel. It's a noetic movie. It's a remote-viewing
adventure. It's an ecumenical parable. It's also a psychic thriller.
These dimensions of Harvest hit what's going on in a radically
new way. Any dream novel will have ESP qualities and ESP is
the symbolic force of the future. We are talking about outer
space and inner space fusing into a single continuum. The expansion
of the mind space hints that vast galactic distances can be
traversed using psychic means. It's a kind of mind teleportation.
This is a really Buddhist idea.
This sounds pretty far-out.
A: It's not. Just look at what's been happening the last four
decades.The war between the old sensate, material establishment
and the new wired, meditative counter-culture is just a symptom
of what's coming. This necessary polarity has driven us to where
we are now. There's nothing to really cry about. It's all unfolding
Q: But things don't look like this at all right now.
Really, look around you. The interest in the spiritual and the
psychic is really exploding in the West even as diminishing
returns for the material way of seeing things are starting to
be seen by more and more people. We are pretty much all psychic
consumers now. It's just that our psychic diet from the media
is still pretty high in junk ideas and images.
Do you mean there is an unseen psychic ecology that's getting
Yes. The pollution in the psychic ecology today is what's creating
the disaster in the physical one we see all around us now. This
is why we are totally out of balance. I really believe like
the ancient rishis of India that all matter is psychic in origin.
That's where we have to start seeing the source of all our problems.
Whatever ugly rot there is in the subtle mind sphere that's
where rot in the physical sphere originates from.
All our problems start in our heads?
Our very brain pulses and the different wave-lengths they can
tune into. That's what Harvest of Gems tries to track at it's
deepest level. In meditation the gaps between the brain pulses
are extended and then some profound quiet can be experienced
if only for a moment. This is the final destination a wisdom
civilization needs to ultimately get to.
This is pretty radical. Tell me more about how Harvest depicts
Everything in Harvest is about interrelated hierarchies in both
nature and civilization. The structural patterns of these hierarchies
remain invariant although the content within the hierarchies
is always changing. This is what is so wild. Harvest uses reflective
spirals of mind chatter that then suddenly shift and jump between
these powerful hierarchies. This very dense kind of mind dance
can generate all kinds of strange coincidences in every subsequent
reading. New insights into different mind realms are opened
and psychic consumption accelerates because psychic life becomes
more predominant for the reader. The richer the psychic consumption
the better off the reader is. A synergy starts to take effect.
The whole of the reading experience is bigger and greater than
the parts that compose the book. There is a door that's opened
to a new kind of seeing and being.
Is this a glimpse of the wisdom society you're talking about?
I'm trying to heal a split in the Western psyche. What comes
out from this healing remains to be seen.
What do you mean?
Religion and science converge in Harvest. When you see the planet
from space like you do in Harvest. You start to see energy fields
within energy fields. Systems of functioning within systems
of functioning. It's the only approach left in town. You start
to realize finally that no one part of the system can function
at the expense of any other part of the system. All parts must
then function harmoniously. 9/11 was a supreme example of this
conflict of parts and the rigid beliefs attached to these parts.
It was a kind of Giordano Bruno moment.
What do you mean?
I mean Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake by the Catholic
church in the 16th century because he believed that the earth
revolved around the sun and that there were other life forms
on other planets. Subjective authority was clashing with objective
facts and rival kinds of subjective speculations. One worldview
felt it simply could not accomodate the other worldview. That's
what happened recently on 9/11. A systems view can easily dispense
with this conflict because material and religious views all
have there place in the scheme of things.
Tell me how the systems view operates in Harvest of Gems?
It's imbedded in its very structure. There's the physical pilgrimage
from America to Asia. You see all kinds of micro and macro physical
realms. You see the world as seen from a NASA spaceship. There
are solar systems, planets, galaxies, and other outer-space
phenomena. Then there are the noetic worlds. The micro and macro
mind realms. Things like psychic vortices, dream states, spirit
worlds, hallucinations, out of body experiences, telepathy between
lovers far apart from each other. The mind spirals and shifts
then dramatically connect all these phyical and non-physical
worlds. The free-style pilgrimage of the narrator moves between
all these worlds in a thrilling way while the synchronicity
and synergy of the noetic story is the glue that holds everything
Do the literary devices of Harvest reflect this mind-matter
Absolutely. Mind and matter is seen from a million angles until
the reader's soul is simply catapulted to new heights. As the
reader moves from Europe to Asia the literary devices simply
proliferate wildly. Stream of consciousness monologues, outer
space shots, inner space shots, the traveler's absorbing word
pictures, and story dialogue are joined by letters to secret
guardian angels, surprising screenplay fragments, and unexpected
messages from all kinds of modern communication devices. The
karma starts to accelerate and there are tons of mind echoes
rippling on all the levels of the hierarchies. The reader is
transformed by this harsh and direct experience of cosmic sentiency.
The entire universe simply and loudly says: hello! and things
are never quite the same.